tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post6870123680492928602..comments2023-07-26T06:20:01.981-04:00Comments on 4 Haelz: Trust IssuesBellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13850946760618331779noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-73048653046306797952009-12-09T11:10:49.468-05:002009-12-09T11:10:49.468-05:00I just want to thank you for the blog and the comm...I just want to thank you for the blog and the comments. I still feel fairly new to WOW as I've only been on for about 5 months and am still learning. I am an older player so I have been taking my time in leveling and learning. I actually went from 1-58 as a resto speced Druid and now am dual speced feral bear/resto. I am in a good guild that is letting me learn to heal with their alts on level appropriate dungeons but being able to read these blogs and comments help alot. I am working hard now to get to 80 so i can join them in more raids and really learn to heal with some of the good guildies we have. The Pugs are frustrating since I am doing my best to learn and heal well (I tend to take it personally if I let someone die) but there is alot to learn when Pugs don't have vent and the tanks vary so widely in behavior. My worst experience so far is the tank that runs ahead out of my heal range, leaves mobs behind him that come after me as I try to keep him alive and we all die. Anyway thanks for your Blog and to everyone else thanks for the comments it really helps my understanding. I'm currently just two bars from 64 and looking forward to learning to be an exceptional healer.Neartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-64696008385823440742009-12-06T16:35:11.437-05:002009-12-06T16:35:11.437-05:00I roll hots and use nourish on that fight. We do d...I roll hots and use nourish on that fight. We do door strat too.<br /><br />But yeah, I'm the same way with not trusting other healers. That's why all my DPSers are hybrids? <br /><br />Then again, some of the other healers prove why I feel like I need to cover their asses, when I'm not there.Sushicookiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02022474741215642568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-28008742179256983382009-12-03T20:58:44.633-05:002009-12-03T20:58:44.633-05:00@Rachel:
I think we really do need to make a disti...@Rachel:<br />I think we really do need to make a distinction between a Nourish druid and a Nourish Spammer (aka: bad druid) though. <br /><br />Nourish is a great spell! it's a flash heal, that with a couple of hots, it can be a full force HT with low cast time. If you talent, gear, glyph and socket for it, it is actually a sick heal. Granted not a popular nor one that I'd advocate, and most def a subpar to any equally talented/geared/glyphed hot druid.<br /><br />The point is, there are druids that like to experiment and frankly is thanks to them that we have found things like HT-4 back in vanilla. There are others than don't know how to play the class. They're the ones we need to help and teach the "norms", while we certainly need encourage the crazy first ones. <br /><br />I say this because I think we need to avoid a global generalizations.Sodastereohttp://darksoda.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-27914434065369828942009-12-03T20:16:14.791-05:002009-12-03T20:16:14.791-05:00I heal because frankly, I hate dps and I'm not...I heal because frankly, I hate dps and I'm not very good at it. I also tend egomaniacal, though I don't make a big thing of it. It's more like, if I can't be the best at dps (and I know I can't, I'm too casual and too far behind the gear curve to top damage meters), I'd rather be complimented for my stellar healing. I frequently am complimented on my heals, because heals are more skill-capped whereas DPS tends to be gear-capped.<br /><br />The best gear in the world couldn't help your nourish spammer, but a lesser-geared skilled competitor would definitely blow him out of the water.Rachelhttp://www.zugzug.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-5143147768231698412009-12-03T15:06:18.885-05:002009-12-03T15:06:18.885-05:00Instead of telling them what they are doing wrong ...Instead of telling them what they are doing wrong and how to change it, try telling them why what they are doing is wrong. Give them some numbers.<br /><br />You're lucky if you can get 5k hps by constantly spamming Nourish.<br />Rejuv ticking for 2.5k every 3 sec on 6 targets gives you the same hps, and you're only casting for 6-7 sec out of every 18. pop a WG in there on cooldown and you're easily doing another 1-2k hps. Take the rest of your 18sec rotation to watch yourself ride to the top of the charts.<br /><br />As for the previous Anonymous post:<br />"Doesn't this kind of contradict what you said in a previous post?"<br />When I read that a few months ago, I interpreted that as someone still doing their rejuv and WG pre-hotting before damage spikes, and Nourishing (instead of regrowth) after raid damage spikes, catching the buff from hots on the target, plus it's extra fast.<br /><br />As for seeing bad druids fail healing out there, I know someone that rolled a resto druid to try a hot healer, but fell back to the nourish spam because they felt uncomfortable seeing people not topped off and hoping their hot ticked.<br /><br />Some healers just play whack-a-mole. The problem comes when you're on a fight where there's 10 moles and you can only hit 1 with your hammer at a time. That's when you pull out your rejuv blanket and cover the top of the holes they keep popping up in.<br />/metaphorBitwabanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-68764294564308761212009-12-03T15:01:35.454-05:002009-12-03T15:01:35.454-05:00I couldn't aggree with you more! I feel like i...I couldn't aggree with you more! I feel like it's Stockholm Syndrome. I love my poison, but it is a poison regardless. <br /><br />I think the problem with druids is doubly so... (with no sense of how a pally or priest actually play), it looks like pally and priest healing is so straight forward. On the other hand, druids have an very varied arsenal. A good druid shines because it looks effortless, a bad druid burns and crashes so hard it's not even funny. <br /><br />I'm lucky to have amazing druids in my guild, but I've also paird with pug druids that do less healing than pallies on an encounter like Twins. So far, I have been lucky to just be a healer and thus, i still feel in control of the encounter's outcome. Like you said, I can pick up their slack. But as i'm leveling my DK, i'm starting to feel the urge to scream at healers on instances (even the low level ones). My only hope is that they're learning the class just like i had to do in vanilla... But i'm afraid of the raiding future of my DK if the trend continues...<br /><br />Thank you so much for putting words to my feelings :)Roloenusahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10987917336548883396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-17711657221121602052009-12-03T14:19:57.709-05:002009-12-03T14:19:57.709-05:00@Anonymous - just because you should be using Nour...@Anonymous - just because you should be using Nourish does not mean you should ignore HoTs; spamming an unbuffed Nourish is pretending you're a Paladin. A weak Paladin.<br /><br />As well, Rejuv blanketing isn't really going out of style. They decided not to reduce its time, and it'll tick faster with a glyph and a good amount of haste. I don't see it going away anytime soon.Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13850946760618331779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-57975892654270275492009-12-03T14:15:14.492-05:002009-12-03T14:15:14.492-05:00How is this going to change with the upcoming patc...How is this going to change with the upcoming patch? I mean, they're nerfing the ability to blanket with rejuv somewhat (shorter duration, larger gcd), and there's that one raid where you have to heal the dragon...a single target, which further pushes nourish/healing touch builds toward the frontline.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-23899107570993676822009-12-03T11:56:04.519-05:002009-12-03T11:56:04.519-05:00Going to miss raiding with you a lot Bell. Was pla...Going to miss raiding with you a lot Bell. Was planning to suggest that you become an officer if Vigilant hadn't fallen apart. I always respected your insight and intuition.<br /><br />Anyways, I joined up with Injustice yesterday since I like to pvp with their players. Going to do some PVE as well and see how it goes. If its any good maybe some of our fellow ex-vigilant members will check it out. <br /><br />-GrymGrymdeathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-5004967978472502972009-12-03T05:04:30.623-05:002009-12-03T05:04:30.623-05:00why druids? because they spent an entire expansion...why druids? because they spent an entire expansion being able to press one button a lot and winning and being told how "pro" they were.<br /><br />my prescription is apathy and time. as your hunter becomes more seasoned youll be able to develop the hunter carefree mentality. from someone who single-handedly ended a 25-man raiding guild by telling my friends i didnt want to tank anymore, its not easy to drop the priority role like that, but your mindset will recreate itself around it. a full expansion later, it sucks taking the extra 5 minutes to form groups and building a dependence upon other players, but thats what a majority of this game is based on. very few people plays this game to purposely be terrible, and youve spent a lot of time surrounded by people who get worked up by those who dont play up to standards. kick back every now and then. multitask as you auto run your ghost to the instance. pull yourself away from the game for a little bitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-47664321373187589142009-12-03T04:05:49.752-05:002009-12-03T04:05:49.752-05:00Ahahahaha, that reminds me of the tree on my serve...Ahahahaha, that reminds me of the tree on my server who "can't raid heal" It drives me insane, especially when I then have to make him switch to boomkin, grab another healer and force a Disc priest or pally to do a bastardised version of raid healing.iwoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02572508708988489283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-16117719094387629962009-12-03T03:56:32.420-05:002009-12-03T03:56:32.420-05:00Healing is strange thing. I have two healing chars...Healing is strange thing. I have two healing chars, off-spec on my shammy and main on my druid. I've healed ToC and some other raids on druid, though she has terrible (crafts, 200lvl epics, good blues, some 219) gear.<br />I've even healed two bosses in ToC (had terrible mana issues, reglyphed Nourish and Innervate, successed topping healing meters) in full PvP (200-213) gear.<br />But i still can't figure the way to know which spell to use on druid in different situations. So you're right, normal content is forgiving to healers.<br />On my shammy i've noticed one more strange thing that i can't figure out. When i'm healing with my pally friend, noone will die. Ok, he's imba, but i've healed with one good pally that was Naxx-geared, and result was just the same. I just can't figure how do they save everyone in every fight, meanwhile being assigned to tanks, and why ppl start to die when there's no pally in raid :)Leehohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07438956683794597730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-56287671153828170212009-12-03T02:02:02.449-05:002009-12-03T02:02:02.449-05:00I actually like to use Nourish quite a bit, and it...I actually like to use Nourish quite a bit, and it will end up as my top heal sometimes. But it is only barely ahead of rejuv and wild growth in most cases. I also get very good use out of Regrowth. I find that I only use Lifebloom when I have a clearcasting proc or if it would be advantageous to put some more hots on a tank (being feared etc.).<br /><br />I once saw a druid with like 80 percent nourish heals.....its like a Paladin dressed as a tree.Darraxushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09290390808933294129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-57435242404943646802009-12-02T22:31:19.305-05:002009-12-02T22:31:19.305-05:00THIS THIS THIS! You hit the nail on the head, Bell...THIS THIS THIS! You hit the nail on the head, Bell. I never fail to get nervous about this. All you wanna do is relax, worry about yourself for once and beat the face in of something instead of watching over 9-24 other raiders. But then some incompetent goof has to go ruin your fun. :( <br /><br />There are some healers I know I could trust completely and totally to watch over us all but PuGing heals just gives me the heebie jeebies. Its a "If you want to see a job done right, do it yourself" kinda thing I guess.Veiylnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-18377383631676808522009-12-02T19:56:12.839-05:002009-12-02T19:56:12.839-05:00Many people are so egotistical that they shun at t...Many people are so egotistical that they shun at the idea of taking suggestions. I can back to WoW after about 1.5 year hiatus (after wrath came out) and the only reason I've become the healer that I am is because I've been very open to suggestions. <br /><br />At this point in time, anytime I run anything with PuGs, I either need to be able to solo heal (or almost solo heal) the encounter, or know the other healer/healers (ToGC 10). <br /><br />It's funny, because I only worry about healing when on a healing char, and not on a DPS char.Maximilienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02730210290172400420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-28108121259851057832009-12-02T17:21:18.025-05:002009-12-02T17:21:18.025-05:00I would like to provide the other side of this pos...I would like to provide the other side of this post, and I think it also has something to do with the Healer Guilt you were talking about.<br /><br />My main is a hunter, I played for 4 years now, and I know deeply how hard it is to find a group to play with as DPS. I spent many hours in Trade and LFG channels, with many other groups, crying “LF2M healer and tank”. This is the reality of a DPS class in WoW.<br /><br />Then I rolled a druid, and two weeks ago brought her to level 80. It’s pure pleasure I never spend more then 5 minutes in LFG. I whisper one of the many tanks I know that love me, we start a group, and 30 seconds later I have 3 DPS to do whatever heroic I want. Raids are the same thing: once you find the 2 tanks and X healers you need, the rest would take care of itself.<br /><br />The Resto Druid you mention, and the many bad healers beside him, are like me: they played dps, and got sick of starving in the sidelines. They want to feel the Healer Love. They want to know the raid cares if they show up or not. They want to play the game the pay to play.<br /><br />Unlike me, they’re bad healers. They don’t spend time listening to advise from other healers (in my case, the 3 other healers in my guild, including another druid), they didn’t heal when they leveled, they don’t read tactics or try to gear up. They spec Holy or Resto when they get to 80, because they want to play, not spend their life begging in Dalaran.<br /><br />Do I excuse them? No. Once they roll healers, they should work to become good healers. But I’m not surprised. Because there are many many mediocre players and bad players, and when they can’t game as dps, they roll DK and pretend to be tanks, or roll druid and pretend to be healers. It’s the cost of doing business; it’s what we have to live with.Itai Greifhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06828042431996454576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-63513315797409341022009-12-02T16:59:47.859-05:002009-12-02T16:59:47.859-05:00my husband the pvp resto druid, who occasionally h...my husband the pvp resto druid, who occasionally heals instances. I've given up looking at his screen and I do my best not to look at his spells used. why?<br /><br />he's just like that druid you've describe, loving his nourish to the point of letting all the hots fall off. regrowth? not fast enough cast for him for the amount of healing it does. he uses swiftmend, sure (very occasionally), but nourish is his staple. he used to use wildgrowth too, but ever since specing pvp resto, he abandoned it for some damage talents in balance tree, but even before? I had to remind him half the time that he has this instant AoE HOT.<br /><br />and yet.<br /><br />it takes a minimum of 3 people in battlegrounds to bring him down, more often then not? its more like 5 and up. there were many a time when he and I held off alliance opposition for ridiculous amounts of time, overwhelming opposition. protecting nodes long enough for reinforcements to show up. he heals all 5 mans, even with "less then perfect" pugs with basically no problems and can help heal non heroic raids if necessary. more often then not, VoA and Onyxia that we pug? he heals it.<br /><br />so I cringe and shudder and then stop myself from saying anything becasue somehow...his system works for him :/<br /><br />go figureLeahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00922945261685139416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-27474669899560430342009-12-02T16:56:15.269-05:002009-12-02T16:56:15.269-05:00Hey Bell,
I completely understand the sentiment a...Hey Bell,<br /><br />I completely understand the sentiment and have been able to, through my start into the game as DPS then tank then to healer, completely ignore that which is not important to me during a fight. Once we start wiping multiple times I do take notice and politely offer what advice I can, if ignored and we continue to wipe I have learned it is best to just leave when dealing with pugs.Nefnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-28219143540779502402009-12-02T16:35:36.580-05:002009-12-02T16:35:36.580-05:00/facepalm
Sorry you had to deal with such a bad d.../facepalm<br /><br />Sorry you had to deal with such a bad druid. I'm sure that there are equally bad priest, palis, and shaman healers... we just notice the druids more because we are aware of their full potential! <br /><br />Anyway, I totally understand why you'd be a control freak! It's hard to stand by and watch people do things so poorly :(ArchDruid Angelahttp://www.restorationdruid.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-18650941009349176592009-12-02T15:54:10.126-05:002009-12-02T15:54:10.126-05:00Dang, I raid-blanket with Rejuv on that fight and ...Dang, I raid-blanket with Rejuv on that fight and we do just fine. Now, for the record, when talking to a young resto, I will tell them freely that I've seen different druids succeed with different methods depending on their talent build and inclinations, but then I go on and give them the low-down on the HoTs and how to use them. I do believe they are the druid's strength and healing niche.<br /><br />And I feel your pain, Bell. I dont raid beyond VoA and an occasional peek into other raids on my alts much, but bad healing just makes me wince.Kayerinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-63665667643235118372009-12-02T14:51:58.953-05:002009-12-02T14:51:58.953-05:00"I use Nourish on Twins..."
I stopped r..."I use Nourish on Twins..."<br /><br />I stopped reading right there, and /facepalmed.<br /><br />Given the wipefest that was in progress, NOT suggesting a change to his approach embodies Einstein's definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.<br /><br />Nourish is #4 priority - only when Swiftmend is on cooldown. *counts spells on twig-like fingers to verify his count* Actually, maybe #5, if you haven't blown your NS/HT combo 'oh shit' button.Heywood Djiblomihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01424315448841746864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-62160544826369710052009-12-02T14:43:37.889-05:002009-12-02T14:43:37.889-05:00If it's any consolation, I feel the same way a...If it's any consolation, I feel the same way about 90% of the paladin healers I've pugged with. It's always "They never use Holy Shock!" or "I don't think they used a Judgement once the entire fight to keep up Judgements of the Pure" or the worst... "How could they die standing in that fire when their bubble is only a click away?!"<br /><br />When Naxx was still newish I remember leading a raid to Loatheb and blatantly saying that Holy Shock was good to use during that narrow healing window where healing was possible because it's instant, and because I wanted to see this paladin actually use it.<br /><br />He didn't. /sadfaceHanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12020803566446071455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-80981464840720078272009-12-02T13:16:51.746-05:002009-12-02T13:16:51.746-05:00I completly totally postitivly agree. I would say ...I completly totally postitivly agree. I would say this entire year, i've DPSed....oh about 5 times. I never ONCE dpsed a raid. Never. Sadly Being a resto druid, I've been still beating the priests on the Healing meaters. Sometimes i feel like im over working, On Incenrate flesh, If i dont heal throught it seems like no one does. I feel like being a Tree, people feel that my hots can take care of the raid (so many times ive checked the recount and noticed the Holy priest doing DPS) Ive complaied to the RL too many times about i feel that im doing so much more work, and he goes on saying, "Well your just a good healer", or "Your better geard that X person" But I can tell you from Expierence that Gear < Skill. My feral set is at a 2500 GS and i can barly pull more than 1500 dps. I just dont have the Skill to do Kitty DPS, I just dont. And if you dont have any kind of knowlege of your class your not going to do the greatest and you will end up either being looked at by other people and the possible kick out. We all need to learn somewhere and some people are just to hardheaded to listen to suggestions. Bell, I was in that Baddruids posistion once, I had someone tell me what i was doing wrong, But instead of shrugging it off, i kept on asking questions and now im better than i ever was. Dont get down by people not taking your suggestions because there will always be people who will sit and listen and take all the advice they can get!<br /><br />Thank you Bell!!!!!!<br /><br />(sorry for the rant i just kept on typing!)Delleyntarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03186711935201442513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-70022657489661471902009-12-02T12:53:47.012-05:002009-12-02T12:53:47.012-05:00It's not just healers, sadly. Let me give you ...It's not just healers, sadly. Let me give you an example from an Ony 25 pug I got to participate in on my feral druid yesterday.<br /><br />The highlights of this run included:<br /><br />- as I picked up a few stray whelps in p1, the other offtank(a warrior decides that the best thing to do is AOE taunt them off of me, which of course grabbed Onyxia and faced her towards the raid...<br /><br />- a deathknight using Army of the Dead at the beginning of phase 2, which proceeded to taunt the whelps and drag them towards the midair Onyxia - the raid(including said DK) is screaming at me by now because I'm "tanking them way out in the middle of nowhere."<br /><br />- the same warrior offtank single taunting Onyxia during a deep breath cast, wiping the entire raid in P3.<br /><br />When I asked the warrior as politely as I could why he wiped us twice, his response was, "must be different in 25 man, I tanked this in 10 np."<br /><br />Also, hi Bell! I have to agree with the people that advised you to not look too closely at healing when you're dpsing. Otherwise, I find I end up stressing over it too much, which defeats the purpose of running on an alt.Sekshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06174076321406874332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7812976357150095653.post-2821446246645252242009-12-02T12:38:39.371-05:002009-12-02T12:38:39.371-05:00@Anonymous - this is why I tend not to offer advic...@Anonymous - this is why I tend not to offer advice unless it's asked for or unless we're wiping. If we're wiping...it should be obvious <i>something</i> needs to change, and that would be the good time to adjust.<br /><br />The tough thing about blogging about WoW is not only is the game always changing, but perspectives, experience and knowledge are always expanding and shifting. So many of my old posts just don't matter anymore, I can't get to them and add disclaimers. Everyone reading blogs should be very careful of at what dates the information is posted at (the first thing I look at when looking up information).<br /><br />Like I said earlier, if we hadn't kept dying I would have left well enough alone. But when we are...it's time for something to change.Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13850946760618331779noreply@blogger.com