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I agree about PUGs being PUGs. Last night we did ...

2008-05-16T15:50:00.000-04:00

I agree about PUGs being PUGs. Last night we did mana tombs (MT) on my little bear alt (she's almost grown up now, sniff). We had a full group, started off, nearly wiped on the first pull, did wipe on the second pull (which was my fault, I didn't see them). Then we decended into an hour of 'person x has to go, we grab person y, person z goes AFK 20 minutes'. I left at that point, somewhat mad at myself at breaking the PUG, but the warning signs were there in the beginning (they couldn't stop talking about the loot they would get from the first boss).

Anyway, cue today. I read an annoucement "Need 1 more for MT and good to go", so i signed on, and they needed a tank, so that's fine, and we wiped through it. Everyone was about 66 or 67, two hunters (one at 70), strong heals. I dont' think anyone died. Certainly no wipes.

Another PUG a few weeks ago, we got halfway through, one person said they had to go take a shower and clean their house. Okay, no problem, removed from group. Obviously they aren't coming back any time soon. We find some more people and continue on. Well, that person shows up 5 minutes later, demanding to know why we removed them, pitches an absolute fit, cussing me out, cussing out the entire party in whispers. Finally the person is on ignore from everyone. They then go into trade chat and bad mouth my guild. At that point I petitioned the GM for harassment. I mean, really...

I think PUGs are very interesting in that you never know what you are going to get, and if you aren't the best player in the world you can still get through, nobody expects the world of you. Only through PUGs have i been able to improve my tanking.

heh most heroics i do/get invited to these days ar...

2008-04-26T04:12:00.000-04:00

heh most heroics i do/get invited to these days are all of people we know.... personally a pug is a pug... and a guild run is a guild run.... no guildies first rule can bleed over to pugging imo.....

Thats the downside of being in a group with people...

2008-04-25T18:00:00.000-04:00

Thats the downside of being in a group with people mostly from one guild as they are most apt to bring their own people in if they become available. You just gotta roll with it and take it kindly or chances are you won't see any invites from them again. I found it hard enough telling some guildies they couldn't come a kara run because we needed x position or this person needed equipment from that boss whereas you already had the loot.

It's tough no matter what.

I'm with khol drake as well - if you're still form...

2008-04-25T14:19:00.000-04:00

I'm with khol drake as well - if you're still forming the group and they want it to be a guild run - whatever. But if you're already halfway through, tough luck for the guildmate.

Neither situation is ideal or in particularly good taste, but your reaction is definitely the right one. That said, I'd be wary of grouping with those people in the future.

I was going to be all thorough and post up my opin...

2008-04-25T12:46:00.000-04:00

I was going to be all thorough and post up my opinions, but really... copy and paste what Dammerung said. I agree 100%.

Serving the cause of brevity,
~Rhoelyn

I agree with khol drake, it's situational.Going ba...

2008-04-25T12:15:00.000-04:00

I agree with khol drake, it's situational.

Going back to your statement about people seeming to feel more guilty when you tell them "it's ok, no problem". It is showing the other player that you're a nice person. And since there's no inflection in WoW, short of using smileys, people are more inclined to project their own feelings of guilt onto the nice person they're having to dump from the group, than a person who’s more aggressive about being dumped.

This can be especially true if they're told by someone else in the guild to dump the pugger that they invited for a guildie that the player may not like, trust, etc.

I find it to be largely situational whether it's a...

2008-04-25T12:02:00.000-04:00

I find it to be largely situational whether it's appropriate to drop the PuG for a guildie. If you're already knee-deep in the instance and a guildie pops up and wants to go...well, tough cookies, should have spoken up sooner. If you're still forming up and said guildie pops up, sorry PuG, guild first.

In both cases, however, if you're on the receiving end, an "okay, no problem, thanks for the invite anyway" is more likely to get you added to a green list as a mature and reasonable player and more likely to be invited back in the future. WoW is a social network and your reputation with the players behind the characters is every bit as important as your rep with the various factions in the game.

What is you were in a pug and got a whisper to gro...

2008-04-25T11:55:00.000-04:00

What is you were in a pug and got a whisper to group in a guildies raid?

"Sorry guys gotta go.Guild first"

I don't complain because I don't run many groups. As long as they do it early and don't waste my time, sure.

I agree that if you've invited someone then they a...

2008-04-25T11:35:00.000-04:00

I agree that if you've invited someone then they are in. You don't drop them for guildies, the guildie should have been on.

That said... I agree with you that complaining to them about it only makes you look bad. I would just quietly accept it and then avoid the person in the future.